Patrick D. McCaslin Interview, 25 February 2001

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INT:Okay. Yeah. I mean Colonel Werlich says in a memo—I can show you a memo for the record—in November '68, he says he didn't take scope photos at first, until the pilot said, "Why don't you take some photos?" This was towards the end.
PM:Well clearly, I can show you on the photos you have that they're early in this incident. [Because of the poor quality McCaslin was misinterpreting the info in the NARA versions. The photos were actually taken near the end of the radar encounter.]
INT:Yeah. And did the pilot instruct you to take the photos?
PM:My memory is that he did not. My memory is that based on the request from the tower, from what I heard about it, that just seemed like the smart thing to do—put it in station keep. And I asked Chuck to put it in station keep. Now the photos, you know, that's a separate—you have to turn the camera on.
INT:Hit a button? Hit a switch?
PM:Yeah. Downstairs. The radar does that.
INT:Oh, the radar nav? So Chuck Ritchie has to do that?
PM:He did that. You'll see it when you see the scope photos.
INT:Well I'm just curious. I mean is that something you would normally do? Just automatically hit the camera button?
PM:No, you have to turn it on. I mean you have to want to turn it on.
INT:So were you guys ordered to film this thing?
PM:Not my impression. I mean at some point I think we—probably me, said, "Let's get this thing on film."
INT:Well, Runyon's recall is they got a call from a GO who was patched into the control tower. The GO said, "We want you to over fly that thing and film it."
PM:Oh.
INT:But see, to me that doesn't make sense. Why would you over fly something to film it on radar film?

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