Patrick D. McCaslin Interview, 25 February 2001

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INT:And then to account for the direction, they needed about 2 or 3 of them.
PM:Yeah. That's ridiculous. I mean, when you see something on the ground, I mean—pilot's are, you know, they're trained observers. I mean they know the difference between a star and an object on the ground, and the object if it was the size that we think it was, it certainly would not be confused with any stars. Perhaps the moon.
INT:Well at that point it's a ball of plasma.
PM:Okay, well, plasma's a—I teach science now for living, but plasma's are the most common form of matter in the universe, but not on the earth. They're the most common form because that's what the sun is and all the stars and so—but certainly they're the most common form by volume of any matter in the universe, but not here. It takes an extraordinary amount of energy to create a plasma here. Now, there are stories about plasmas that, you know, appear and hit buildings and so forth, but, you know, there's lots of stories about lots of things—Loch Ness monsters and all kinds of things, and it just seems strange to me that that would be—they are so rare on earth, how could you say that this is a plasma? I mean, you'd almost have to—it'd be almost simpler to say it was a UFO.
INT:Yeah.
PM:I mean plasmas are—plasmas are not a common item. So, it's not—especially one that travels around with you for 10 minutes in an intelligent way.
INT:—orange, you know?
PM:Yeah. Well, plasmas may be orange, I don't know, but to follow an aircraft around for 10 minutes, 15 minutes doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
INT:I figure that's the reason they grabbed that one because your radios went out and they had to account for that somehow.
PM:There's other ways to account for that, too.
INT:Two radios going out?
PM:Jamming would account for that.
INT:Oh, right. If your radios were jammed how would they respond?
PM:Well, Tom would be the guy to ask that question to.

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