Patrick D. McCaslin Interview, 25 February 2001

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INT:That's what's odd about Holland. Actually when he started there he was a Colonel—
PM:Well, it has to do with dates and rank and everything. Might've brought him in just short prior to his pin-on date.
INT:Let me ask you this—so you had sort of regular contact with Holland?
PM:No. Never saw the man before.
INT:'Cause he was Division Commander?
PM:Right. That would've been just short of God. You know, a demi-god.
INT:Yeah. But, do you recall that that's who it was that gave the debriefing, and was he alone?
PM:Was General Holland alone when we talked?
INT:Yeah.
PM:I can't remember if there was any other staff in the room, but I remember it being a fairly informal discussion. He invited us in, put us all at ease—
INT:How many of you?
PM:The whole crew was there except for, well, here I go again. I was there, Goduto was there, Runyon was there, Cagle was not there. Don Cagle was our aircraft commander. He was not there.
INT:Why wasn't he there? Do you know?
PM:Well, the discussion at the time was that he had an interview with Delta Airlines the next morning, and he refused to look at this thing during the flight.
INT:Do you remember that at that time? That that's what happened? He would've been in the jump seat.
PM:Yeah. I don't remember. I mean, I'm downstairs, but there was some discussion about him during the over flight not wanting to see this thing, probably at the point where they were inviting me up to take a look. He didn't want to see it, because he did not want to have to stick around the next day to discuss what he saw.
INT:—at a debriefing?

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