Patrick D. McCaslin Interview, 25 February 2001

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what you're talking about." And to this day, I'm just bemused by that. I mean the guy was sitting right beside me. He was there the whole time. I have to admit, he was dozing and everything but he couldn't escape what was happening, you know, as we landed and all that stuff.
INT:And he was at the debriefings.
PM:Yeah. And he walked out that day professing that he didn't have any memory of any of that.
INT:Oh, had he moved into some administrative positions?
PM:He was gonna be a Base Commander, which—he was gonna be the first navigator in the history of the Air Force to be a Wing Commander. He was gonna be a Wing Commander.
INT:He was concerned about his career?
PM:Oh, I'd say. Could be. I hate to ascribe motives to anybody, but there was some reason that Chuck didn't remember a thing about it, and I couldn't believe that there'd be anyway he could've forgotten that.
INT:Yeah. This tape's at the end. Do you want to go one more half hour? Is that alright?
PM:That's fine. I don't know what else I can add, but—
INT:I've got a list of questions...[tape turned over]. You've got those 13 scope photos, right?
PM:Yeah.
INT:Are you able to read—
PM:Distances and stuff? Somewhat. I think I can, depending on the quality.
INT:Here's a list of questions from Jim. Oh, did you look at the Blue Book records of the incident?
PM:He sent 'em to me, and I looked through 'em very briefly.
INT:Did you try and find them some years ago or something?
PM:Yeah. I had asked if there was any report of it and one time I got on a web site while we lived here, and tried to find Project Blue Book and all that stuff. Never saw any reference to the incident—

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