William E. Smith Interview, 11 July 2001(a)
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involved. But were you able to contact the individual who was on the site on duty that night and who went to the site, Oscar-7 or whatever?
JK
No, not yet. That's one of the things I am hoping that you might remember some first names or where these guys might have been from.
WS
I can't even remember any of the guys at all.
JK
Oh, okay. Now, it shows at Oscar-1, it shows you as FSC. And then it shows a name. I will just spell it to you. It's B-A-J-G-I-A-R. Bajgiar, I guess.
WS
Oh, okay. Bajgier. If I recall, that name does sound very familiar.
JK
Yeah. I am hoping that as you think about this later on a first name might come to you.
WS
Bagjier.
JK
Yeah. The other is Vennedall.
WS
Okay. This one doesn't ring a bell, but Bagjiar does.
JK
Okay. Those are the two, and they were Airmen First Class.
WS
Right, yeah. Bagjier was a black male, I remember him.
JK
Oh, all right. I have got a document here I am looking at from the Blue Book, and it's a resume of the events. It says, "The following personnel at the listed LCFs sighted the UFO at the times indicated. And for Oscar, it says, Staff Sergeant Smith, Airman First Class Bagjiar, Airman First Class Vennedall. Then it has this camper team. Now, would those guys have been security police or—
WS
Yes, they would have been—a camper teams normally went out and stayed on the site either while crews were working—targeting crews were working or if they couldn't button the site up tight enough—if they couldn't get all the alarms to set up. We had to have a camper team sent out there to baby-sit the missile directly.
JK
Now, that's what Jim Bond told me. He was the FSC at November. Jim told me if you got snow drifts or something that screwed up the outer perimeter alarms, that you would send a camper team there.
WS
Oh, gosh, we had camper teams all over the place during snow drifts. We would have to go out and try to set those alarms and get them to work so that our campers could go back because we only had a finite number of camper teams. And if you had a maintenance, if you had crews that were working, of course, then you had to have something upstairs to make sure somebody doesn't drop things in on the top of them. So we had campers all over that missile place.
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