Patrick D. McCaslin Interview, 25 February 2001

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PM:That's what I don't remember. I don't remember if Tom said that at the time, or whether he mentioned it to us after, you know, that at the time, during the debriefing—whether he said that he had seen strange stuff at the time that we lost transmissions with the tower. But I remember him saying something about that.
INT:Mm-hmm.
PM:That situation persisted until—and my memory is that we were about to level off either at the final approach altitude, where you just go from that altitude down to a landing, or that it was an immediate altitude but very near now to landing, or to being at the base.
INT:And would you have been coming in on a GCA approach?
PM:No, we were doing this VOR, or the VORTAC approach, following instruments in our aircraft. You know, based on a transmitter out to the northwest. And as we leveled off, as they saw this point where we're supposed to level at 2,000 feet, or whatever it was, they started to level off. As we started this level off, my memory is that I—just a reverse of what happened when I first picked it up. Strong return a mile off our left wing—next faint return—next sweep nothing.
INT:That's why I wonder, when this thing appeared on your radar, maybe it came up from the ground the way it dropped away—
PM:Certainly a possibility and could've happened you know, it either went up or it went down, when it disappeared. Same thing. But now this is my memory of it—I noted the position knowing, you know, I knew something very different was going on, so I noted the position of the counters that showed our position right down to the minute on the display there. And I made note of those and I may have—I can't remember if at that point I asked Chuck to put the crosshairs—he can push a button, and stop the crosshairs right at that point and then the airplane flies ring around the crosshairs. See what I mean?
INT:Yeah.
PM:The crosshairs are what you aim with and he can control that with his stick downstairs.
INT:When you're gonna drop a bomb, he can do it from there?

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